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Frameworks keep you STUCK.
What I learned from the most frustrating call I've ever had with a coach đ
A month ago, I posted an Instagram reel sharing my thoughts on how, even though being a Creator is more popular than ever, very few people are actually creative.
One comment stood out:
Someone called me out, saying that, as an ex-Instagram guru, I was part of the problem by telling people what to do:

It got me thinkingâwere they right?
Why Frameworks Donât Always Work
I could give you a detailed curriculum for doubling your business in 90 days, complete with copywriting formulas, funnel setups, and content scripts.
Yet, many people will still fail.
Why?
Because most people donât have the soft skills required to sustain that growth.
Skills like: Resilience, emotional intelligence, self-belief, dealing with uncertainty⌠the list goes on.
The same applies to content creation.
You might think you need to spend more time writing out your audience avatar or refining your content pillars for the 7th time this week.
But on my creative journey, I've learned that a lot of this is just busy workâadvertised by coaches who believe sharing tactics, systems, and frameworks alone makes them valuable.
And we keep chasing these things because we think they make us valuable, too.
But itâs masking the real problem:
Weâre insecure about our ideas.
Weâre scared that something wonât perform.
Weâre afraid of judgment.
That Instagram comment made me reflect:
âHave I contributed to the problem by promoting frameworks without addressing what people are really missing?â
The answer is yes.
And it took one of the most frustrating coaching calls Iâve ever had to realize this.
How I Prepared For My First IRL Interview
A couple of months ago, I was preparing for my first in-person podcast interview, and my mentor, Joe, helped me through the process.
⌠By the way, the interview with Spiraling Higher just got released today! You can click here to watch it:
At first, I thought we would focus on the typical stuffâperfecting my talking points, refining my story, or developing solid soundbites.
But Joe had a completely different approach.
At times, heâd make us sit in silence, asking me to guess what he was thinking just by reading his body language.
We did this over and over again.
During our conversations, he also had me ask him as many questions as possible about his life, which threw me off because, hello!? Iâm the guest? Not the host?
When we did roleplays, he sometimes wouldnât let me finish my thoughts and would ask me questions unrelated to sabbaticals, business, or being a creatorâthings Iâm prepared to discuss.
Instead, heâd ask me about religion, beauty procedures, family, and other topics I never really talk about, and at the time, I felt were completely unrelated and off-topic.
It was one of the most frustrating coaching sessions Iâve had to date.
I came in expecting formulas, scripts, or some podcast interview framework.
I even had a Google Doc full of specific life and business lessons I wanted him to review.
But Joe wasnât interested in any of that.
And at the time, I didnât understand why.
Why Soft Skills Matter More Than Tactics
I interviewed on Jenna Kutcherâs Goal Digger podcast a few months before.
While I love Jenna and the content was solid, looking back, I noticed something important: it wasnât a conversation.
There were times I was stuck in "monologue mode," a habit I picked up as a YouTuber, where I'm used to delivering dense information in 20-30 minutes without any breaks.
But if you asked me on a deeper level, I monologue because Iâm so focused on saying the "right" thing and doing a "good job" that Iâm not truly present.
My mind is racing, thinking about my prepared answers instead of being engaged in the conversation.
Worst of all, I spiral even more when a host doesnât send me questions in advance.
This was the case for the Spiraling Higher interview.
They didnât give me any questions, and so I was desperate for a sense of control.
I hoped that Joe would give me a framework, tactic, or strategy to make me feel prepared and safe.
But Joe wasnât interested in giving me that safety net.
What he was doing was far more valuable.
He was teaching me soft skills, such as presence, active listening, curiosity, and, perhaps most importantly, restraint.
How, even though I often feel the need to say everything at once (fearing that people wonât think I know enough), itâs okay to hold back and let the conversation flow naturally.
We donât always need to lay out all our cards or showcase our expertise in one breath.
Sometimes, the real magic happens when you leave space for the conversation to unfold without forcing it into a predetermined agenda.
The Surprising Results
I didnât fully appreciate the impact of Joeâs coaching until the day of the podcast (hehâ sorry Joe!)
The morning of, I felt unprepared and annoyed.
I wondered if we had wasted time, thinking, "Why didnât we work on my messaging more? Or make my story more interesting? Or flesh out the tangible lessons I learned?"
But to my surprise, I think this was one of the best interviews Iâve done to date.
The conversation flowed naturallyâunscripted and spontaneous.
I found myself sharing stories Iâd never told before, cracking jokes, and even asking Gina and Sam a few questions myself, which made the conversation richer, fun, and more engaging.
Gina and Sam ended the interview by saying it was one of their best conversations yet.
They mentioned how present and engaged I was, but what they didnât realize is that this wasnât an accident.
It came from hours of intentional practiceânot from following a cookie-cutter framework or creating an agenda for my story, but from learning presence, restraint, curiosity, and, most importantly, building evidence for myself that my storyânot my prepared answersâwas enough.
What can we learn from this story?
While learning technical skills like funnel building, copywriting, and video editing can be helpful, theyâre not enough on their own.
So, the next time you find yourself searching for another framework or shortcut, take a pause and ask yourself:
Is another technical course really what you need?
Will tweaking your content plan over and over again actually make a difference?
Or is there something deeperâan insecurity or fearâthatâs holding you back?
I realized I didnât need a storytelling framework, a mentorâs validation of my story, or hours poured into preparing perfect answers.
What I truly needed was to let go of control, be present, and master my energy to become comfortable with uncertainty.
For you, it might mean developing the skill of feeling genuinely connected in creating and sharing your message rather than constantly worrying about how others will receive it.
Or maybe itâs building the skill of courage to talk about something youâve always avoided.
Whatever it is, remember this: success isnât just about tactics, hard skills, or strategies.
In fact, Iâd argue that those things often hold us back from expressing our most authentic selves.
If youâre looking for a new way to approach your creativity, I highly recommend The Creative Act by Rick Rubin or The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron.
These books offer a fresh perspective on what it really means to be a creatorâand I hope they inspire you as much as theyâve inspired me. â¤ď¸
In this interview, youâll hear several thoughts, lessons, and feelings Iâve never shared publicly before.
Youâll hear about how I really felt when other creators posted about me during my sabbatical, the insecurity that kept me from making new videos, my view on industry relationships, and sooooo much more.
Itâs 2 hours of deep conversation, and I hope you take the time to watch or listen to it. â¤ď¸
As always, I appreciate you so much for getting to the bottom of this email.
Feel free to reply to this email with any thoughts or commentsâI usually dedicate Mondays to reading and responding to as many as I can! đ
Stay true to who you are,
Vanessa
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